On the flats and descents she crushes her w/kg field. I don't think you can do it from the game itself. How about simply showing a percentage variance. I have climbed well and I have suffered on climbs but also sprinted well. Absolutely impossible. If Zwift can be seen to be doing that then very little need toRead more . Theyre only cheating themselves and it all comes out in the wash eventually. In reality no under 12 is competing with a decent 2nd or 3rd cat (UK system) Ive ridden with enough talented youth riders that this is fact so letting young kids crush half decent amateurs on zwift would be unrealistic. To move up to the next rank, ZwiftPower will take 95 per cent of your 20-minute average w/kg figure from your previous three races. triathlon). Im the opposite. See how you can support Zwift Insider! Nice work! Their hr should also correspond, which they often dont. If the categories are split using purely w/kg a lighter rider doesnt have any advantage up the climbs at all. I have been cycling since I was a kid and now close to 50. Race them if you want, but Rides like Tour de Zwift are not based on rider category, they are based on distance. Zwift doesn't need a fancy code fix, they don't need special anti-cheat software, special post race investigations, and they don't need to change anything other than when the game updates personal attributes. either a) ur starting ur sprint way too late or b) ur leading him out. there seems to be a lot of variability in power products and what people are using to feed into zwift. Have you ever compared numbers for calories burned, power output and even elevation ridden for a Zwift ride uploaded to Strava? I guess I shouldnt be surprised. The 33-pound Hub is 14 pounds lighter than the 47-pound Wahoo Kickr, even though the two trainers are almost exactly the same size. I climbed the Alpe last night for Stage 3 of the Tour of Watopia, missing my target of going under an hour by just over 12 seconds (Aargh!!). Generally weigh myself once a month. If I feel happy in my body thats the most important thing for me, and why I rarely weigh myself. Yes us heavier riders have the downhill advantage definitely. I understand if someone has a banner day or just bumped up out of upper C to lower B. Too light and watts go down as does watts per kilo. See how you can support Zwift Insider! Note how he wins races while his max HR is around 30 beats below his maximum. Dont worry about your weight fluctuating through the week and remember you gain 0.5kg by drinking a half-litre bidon and lose it again through sweat (and by going to the toilet). As well as original reporting, news and feature writing, and production work, Daniel also runs The Leadout newsletter and oversees How to Watch guides throughout the season. I ride B category races & never podium but have been puzzled as I always seem to have a higher w/kg than most of the other riders in the race. Frankly I struggle to believe these are real. Chip on the shoulder there or what? Currently trying to convince a friend who is new to Zwift not to reverse weight dope. I hope they learn from this and are more careful with things like that in the future. I use Zwift to get in shape and prepare for outside riding. Though our intent is to protect potentially vulnerable users by removing labels that can trigger unhealthy behaviours, we also hear the concerns of the racing community. If so, that makes sense to me and I can absolutely see the point of that. In the 2 months Ive been on Zwift Ive become a stronger rider than ever, because Zwift encourages me to push myself harder than I do in real life. I know a woman who is 5 feet tall and almost 200lb. I have a Withings scale and in the Zwift Settings, it shows up as connected. Here it is in its entirety: Last week we outlined a number of planned changes to address harassment and further safeguard the health and wellbeing of the Zwift Community. Especially for the C and D groups but even for the Bs albeit to a lesser degree. However, I definitely recommend entering some races. I am racing in the Cs finishing in the 40-50s but there are 30 + racers ahead of me posting watt/kilo of A, and strong B racers. As Zwift racer James Eastwood so aptly put it, The community dont want to see peoples weight they want fair racing.. Light guys have the advantage on the hills, in the sprints, and because they have a higher w/kg, the flats too even if my absolute watts are significantly higher. Launch Zwift and go to the Menu. How does being heavier help a cyclist? you may ask. But I will, and Ill get hammered and hopefully improve. In spectacular and shocking fashion. Not true, at least not absolutely. Thanks Ive been on a mission to get back to my racing weight in 2020. yea but realistically is it worth it for them to dedicate the resources to that $$$$$$$, Well, thats good news. Hes asking for a fair race. When you're in the game, click "Menu". As for the weight, I weight 190lbs, (86Ks) I put in 190lbs. Simply put, the system cannot measure weight it can only measure power, so for racing, peoples weight should be disregarded by that I mean, just as everyone in a zwift academy race has the same bike, they should be given the same weight , then it is a race based on FTP banded categories with point based promotion. And atRead more . The latest race content, interviews, features, reviews and expert buying guides, direct to your inbox! The Forerunner 265 series watches have become Garmin's lowest-priced AMOLED display endurance sports-focused watch, coming in at roughly half the price of the Garmin Epix series launched a year ago - but here with full multiband GNSS support on all Forerunner 265 units, while also adding in Training Readiness - a major Garmin endurance sports focused feature. 1 second per 1 km on the AdZ dowhill (after losing minutes going up it) is literally the only place in the game its beneficial and the IRL advantages on the flats over light riders is excessivelyRead more . Some of the reasons Ive never pushed as hard on a real ride include: Stopping / slowing for junctions Traffic / pedestrians / other hazards Appreciating the view No watt meter on my real bike I dont race in real life I dont do workouts in real life Changing wind Threat of a headwind on my home journey And the biggest: WantingRead more , Agree with the above. At all. ThatRead more . (better than any bike upgrade i could afford) Yes its great to win,but as long as you improve yourself who cares what anyone else does.You will always get cheaters,dodgy equipment and so on so just enjoyRead more . Zwift posted a follow-up message on the forum, Zwift x UCI To Host Cycling Events for the Olympic Esports Series 2023, Race London ZRacing March Series Details, Notable Zwift Events for the Weekend of March 4-5. Thats a good thing. Good heavens man, the sentence before You do you says If its not done during a competitive Zwift event, I dont see it as a problem. Obviously weight doping in races is cheating and not acceptable. Hopefully ZHQ will take a harder look the changes that have been proposed over the past year or so. So I just bumped myself up to the B group and went faster overall simply because there were faster people to draft off of. IRL if your weight is 85kg, itll take you longer to climb the Ventoux than if your weight is 65. I dont mind the low HRs but the low power and high w/kg really irk me! Or weight bonuses for completing events that last for a set amount of days or even hours. As soon as I start pedaling Im pretty much into threshold (around 170bpm). I recently won a C race, but it didnt feel like winning as I knew there were 2 categories faster. Daniel has reported from the world's top races, including the Tour de France and the spring Classics, and has interviewed many of the sport's biggest stars, including Wout van Aert, Remco Evenepoel, Mark Cavendish, Demi Vollering, and Anna van der Breggen. If I get down to 52 kilos I can climb well but my sprinting is terrible. The race I did had all categories racing together with a mass start, so the categories felt arbitrary as my place was not within my chosen category but across the whole field anyway. Ugh! Exactly, although As arent that regulated, unless you hit the premier class, which is a very small section of A riders. LOL. I agree WTRL ZRL races dont feel like they have cheaters. Now you'll have to head over to ZwiftPower.com and register there. Yes, there are plenty of variabies, but power is power. Its only a bit of fun at my level (solid B with the odd podium). Since we know that lighter weight=higher virtual speed, this is a very easy way to cheat the system on Zwift. Racers who get top 1,2,3 more than a few times get upgraded period. Honest mistake on my part and one I wont make again, so fair enough to be filtered outRead more , Related (and apologies if the answer is obvious but Ive only done one Zwift race), really what is the point of the categories? I think one of the biggest issues with weight (and height) in Zwift is that you get punished really hard for something you only have limited control over. More of an issue than thisRead more . Thats not what I recall at all, everything is a race, even if you werent aware . I think a once-weekly weigh-in is acceptable. Other than that, I rarely look at weight unless some results are very weird. Totally agree with you. Heres how it works. Read on for our guide on how the app works, how to get set up, and how to analyse your racing. Click on the Settings button and you'll find the Trainer Difficulty slider. Updating Your Privacy Settings in Zwift Companion To update your default privacy settings, sign in to the Zwift Companion (ZC) app on your iOS or Andro. There is no cat C rider at 58kg who has a hope in hell of beating me in any race. I have no idea. If they keep riders from competing in categories below their ranking, it will reduce the number of sandbaggers and cruisers. My FTP/kg is 3.88, which I now know would make me a B racer (3.2-3.9). We really like the sound of this: In the future, well continue to bring potential product ideas and changes to members of the Zwift Racing Community, with the hope that youll embrace this as a collaborative effort to help shape the experience. This can be seen by comparing Zwift physics with real life physics (calculated by websites likeRead more . Frustrating to someone who tries so hard to compete in my weight class to get beat by cheaters. I guess I could play the same game and pretend to be 65kgs (350/65 = an impressive 5.38w/kg), This is where Zwifts scaling of CdA on height and weight gets out of whack with reality. document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); document.getElementById( "ak_js_2" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); Im not too concerned about weight doping really. So its not that easy for light people to hide in the pack and benefit from the draft in Zwift, which is half the reality (in many ways its easier IRL). Zwift excessively rewards the athlete for being light and small. If I were to drop say a kg obviously the watts required would not change to keep at the speed of the group andRead more , Youll go faster at a lighter weight on the flats. The only way for complete cheat free racing is in the zwift Pro race which is all done in a single room with all riders together. On a tablet or smartphone, you can download the. Zwift power usually looks at numbers vs the category race he entered. In theory (at least) weight dopers could game the results based categories as well. Weight would be updated as normal throughout the month. Then save your ride and log out. My 3.9w/kg (a new PR!) This community-driven site is maintained by Eric Schlange and a team of Zwift enthusiasts. I may try it just to see what difference it makes. Context, Tim, context! I think theres another more interesting angle than just trying to stay down a category. (ignoring that it evens out and you have the advantage on the hills but lets ignore that because its all about you and you should always podium in every race in your life, because mommy told you that you were special and big mean Zwift is making you work so hard on the flats). High intensity: 30/30 and 40/20sec Rnnestad intervals like 3x (10x40/20sec). They are not, and never were, skill classes of any kind (ie. I was going flat out the whole race, and by no means cruising along watching my watts. https://zwiftpower.com/profile.php?z=697996. IMHO, enforcing in-category entry for races will be a quick, easy and effective change. document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); document.getElementById( "ak_js_2" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); The best solution would be for Zwift to actively monitor all racing for people cheating. But youre training and racing and getting stronger, and eventually your FTP improves to 260 watts, which is 3.25 w/kg. We are both lighter riders and find the w/kg categorisation system frustrating (unfair even) but its what we have at the moment I think most people feel like they have a right to be competitive but this simply is not the case and ifRead more . If thats the norm, then I really dont see theRead more . Noob question though, whats the etiquette around weighing with kit on or off. Are you efficient, or just heavy? Good question. But youre not affecting anyone elses experience. Why dont you start self-regulating then? Nailed it. Zwift Insider makes a small commission on purchases made from these links, so please shop through them to support our efforts. I suffer from excess sweating and will easily lose 10kg in a race on Four Horseman, for example (although Im certainly not the norm, but to say no one is untrue). It lets Zwift racers and race organisers track results and check out all the details of the races they've participated in, as well as monitoring and analysing their data. In some cases this even happens unfairly. yes, but you are missing my point. Weight doping is a key challenge for cycling esports to overcome, and its one reason why many big races (e.g., those with prize money) require riders to show up and weigh in on-location in a supervised environment. Im using a quarq crank power meter on my rock and roll while I save up for direct drive. SoggyAlbatross2. It does the job as described. This covers name changes as well as weight/height changes during an event. It this fair? What if you are super committed and gain the weight in real life just so you can stay in the category , Excellent posts on perhaps the most serious non-hardware problem in Zwift right now. When I go outdoors I go on a trail bike and bring a backpack full of food and drink for a several hours ride. Take one of our four FTP tests to determine your FTP. 2022 Primr RWB League - Cycling Ireland eRacing Winter League. One question I have struggled to answer though which maybe is not a consideration is that on the flat watts is what is required and I also have to push high wkg to stay with groups. Current system means that heavy weight top of cat riders climb at the same speed as skinny guys with same wpk but can have 60% more power on the flats. I have heard women admit on social rides that their zwift weight is their goal weightRead more . Yes, smaller riders have less frontal area, but the difference in CdA isnt that much. It must be very hard to do with many, many lines of code to implement otherwise it wouldve been done by now, In reality these changes would not (will not) impact cheating. Eric runs Zwift Insider in his spare time when he isn't on the bike or managing various business interests. You will receive a verification email shortly. If its a big hill, well then w/kg has us equalised. Some people are clearly living in a fantasy on zwift. A recent Crit City A Race is a very good example of this: I finished in the front pack, sprinting it out for 9th place. Nekkid and I only update my weight in zwift if it moves more than a KG. Thanks! His favourite races are Strade Bianche and the Volta a Portugal, and he rides a Colnago C40. Daniel Ostanek is production editor at Cyclingnews, having joined in 2017 as a freelance contributor and later being hired as staff writer. . Bob, what on earth is that all about? Hi Using HRM is difficult as well as you max HRM changes with age mine is 159 flat out but I am over 60. On Zwift I look suspicous. But for most riders watts per kilo rules the day, determining which category you race in Zwift. If there are problems, Zwift already has a reporting function and everything is recorded police that properly andRead more . We remain committed to protecting the health and well being of the broader Zwift Community, and we look forward to enacting additional measures in the future. But It doesnt mean that that person is going to be the person riding the bike on the trainer during the race does it. BA1 1UA. They CANNOT win. Some people, I think, just have a lower HR. Even if Id ridden at threshold a little over 4 W/kg, I wouldnt have been able to hang onto the front in a D race, it seems. You'll receive a four-digit code, which you'll then have to add to your last name back in your Zwift settings (you can change it back after the process is completed). Fluctuations of a few percent would be tolerated and percent change would be displayed on ZP. Best turbo trainers: Smart trainers to improve your indoor cycling experience This isnt IRL racing it is e-racing. And one cheater leads to another and its an arms race of gaming the game. Problem solved! I have tended to notice that a significant number of powerful zwifters real world Strava performances pale in comparison to their online achievements. it's a good training tool. Someone sandbagging will get promoted out of category and will not be allowed to reg for lower categories. This would include preventing people from entering the wrong (too low) category, and multiple month suspensions (race events would not appear in that persons Zwift application event list, no ability to enter) for using a height or weight that cannot be verified, or miscalibration of a smart trainer. Im a heavy rider at 102kgs and 193cm tall I once reverse doped my weight at the top of the radio tower to try and achieve the 100km/HR badge It had the opposite effect in that I was actually slower than when descending at my actual weight lol I dont race other than against myself so Ive never weight doped as such My observations recently however have created an awareness of how many stick insects ride bikes on zwift . Had assumed I just rode inefficiently. Contribute a post, shop through us, make a donation, advertise on this site. Share your thoughts below! The guy who got first weighs 106kg on strava but 45kg and only 411 on zwift. I love reading it. Youll move a little slower with the added virtual weight, but youll be able to hang with the front of the Cs instead of getting shelled off the back of the Bs. Exactly. Future Publishing Limited Quay House, The Ambury, It's a bit more complicated than most website sign-ups, but now you'll be all ready to get started. Ive seen many A Riders with 300 FTP on Zwift who I beat by a HUGE MARGIN at triathlon events, including the cycling portion. Im about to end up in the same situation (last races at 3.99, 3.98 and 3.99 W/kg) and Im not really worried about being promoted to A. 2 yr. ago. Some big Zwift races have specific rulesets, etc. I hopeRead more . I dont think so. 2022 Race Like A Pro. I agree Paul great idea. For example the threshold for cat B is FTP over 200 watts and over 3.2 w/kg. There's a forum, too, so that users can discuss ongoing race series, find out about upcoming events and have any queries answered and problems solved. On one occasion I entered a flat race (Laguardia Loop) following my ZP category (class C), finished almost three minutes down (though since it was a small field I still got third place), and then was disqualified for averaging 3.6 w/kg and 206 watts. The other race, events, and activities are needed to display that data. My performance IRL then probably looks pale compared to when Im racing in Zwift, I use the same power meter on Zwift as I do outdoors and I only push it outdoors during FTP tests and during closed road events (i.e. Thats hilarious. there's a million and 1 reasons why it is not a legitimate sport. I think he is referring to the 2021 Haute Route GC (or lack thereof), Sorry, thats right, it was the Haute Route 2021 events. Bath I agree with what you say Eric but the weight doping does negatively impact the casual rider if they are following other riders in a casual/social ride. First up, you'll have to head to Zwift.com and log in, then click on Settings > Profile > Connections and choose 'opt-in' under the ZwiftPower logo. Obviously, these are generally accepted rules in the Zwift Community. On a flat ride I would beat every sub 60kg cat B rider too. , Myself being a lighter rider who fluctuates some 2kg during a week I tend to always use my upper weight giving me a lower Wkg. I put my real weight 95% of the time. Zwift essentially encourages people to be less than truthful about their weight. Racing the As resp. Okay, I now see in ZP where it has my minimum racer category (B) in my profile based on my last race, so I can choose B or A going forward. I lost some weight during these few months and gained on FTP Now facing going to C and not getting any good results within the category, Eric, thanks for bringing this to light. If people want to cheat, they will and can do so in any uncontrolled situation. Think of ZwiftPower, then, as something similar to Strava, only entirely Zwift-focused, and free! Hopefully when it comes time to hide height and weight from public view on ZwiftPower, Zwift will have some really useful tools in place which help race organizers do their jobs more quickly and effectively, while promoting wellness in the racing community. If someone on zwift holds an avg power at a given heart rate, then goes out on the road and holds that same heart rate but cannot sustain even close to that power, I am sorry, but that isnt physiology; that is hardware. look at the article. Why no monitoring on this? 1. Im glad our collective voice was heard on this one, In the future, well continue to bring potential product ideas and changes to members of the Zwift Racing Community, with the hope that youll embrace this as a collaborative effort to help shape the experience.. 0.5kg discrepancy either side is actually quite small. I may of course be wrong, and these are all true weights, but Id be very surprised if that were the case, in the races where this matters, riders have to submit a private youtube weigh-in video <2 hrs before the race. Have you considered drinking during a race? Can someone answer why we need the different categories? It's a real community hub. nothing less. As far as my weight goes the only thing I care about is being as accurate as I can to get accurate results. Connecting to ZwiftPower Before you can start using ZwiftPower, you'll need to create an account. What anyone wants in any game or competition is to feel its fair, and as they look to make changes going forward, I hope people at Zwift always keep asking themselves this question: How can Zwifters see these races are fair?. Maybe they should display and categorise HR as a %age? As long as the button to enter a lower cat is active, riders will Press It. Either these racers need to calibrate the trainer or they are sandbagging big time. A strict w/kg classification isnt perfect.
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